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I totally understand if you wouldn't want to comment on this publically, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of Jim Wilder's work in Renovated

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I actually haven’t read it. I would love to hear your thoughts though.

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I've only read a little of it, but I read the practical application version - the other half of church.

It seems like there is a lot of good in explaining what is going on in our physical bodies and what helps to build healthy communities. What irks me a little is the issue you're speaking about in that, in the end, the principles can be used in just about any context (they have a business leadership book using the same principles) and there is little to no mention of the holy Spirit as part of the process.

It brings some good things to this conversation, but may need some more seasoned theologians to flesh it out a bit more.

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I worry a lot about folks who follow Willard becoming (or just being Pelagianian). He was careful to qualify his views, but on the more popular level they don’t seem to know what Pelagianism is. So they write “This is not Pelagian,” but never seem to explain how it isn’t.

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